So where is everybody on this horribly sad subject?
I truly can’t take one side or the other. Obviously, she shouldn’t be let free, but aren’t her physicians guilty as well? Her husband and family? She was/is sick!
You're so right. From my perspective, this is one more poor soul who went off the rails with postpartum depression, taking at least one child's life while wrestling with psychosis.
What complicates this case is the gaggle of doctors and their intermingling concoctions of prescribed drugs. Our medical system is beyond imperfect, it's become corrupt and exclusively profit-oriented now. Doctors are financially incentivized to keep patient visits to a ten minute period, and they end up prescribing meds without having enough time to fully review the complexities of one's chart, the potential drug interactions that may surface, or discuss the case with other doctors the patient has seen. It's like visiting an In-N-Out burger where the server is too busy to do anything more than take your money and hand you a bag. Is it any wonder there are 250,000 deaths annually due to medical errors in US hospitals today? And this is why patients are now required to sign a legal document pre-op that limits them to arbitration should things go south during surgery.
Lindsey Clancy couldn't have been more clear about her state of mind. The signs were all there. She should have been hospitalized and her kids should not have been allowed anywhere near her so long as she was having suicidal thoughts. The negligence and failure here reminds me of the countless times police have been warned about a deranged person with guns and known mental health issues, but dismiss the concern after a brief, superficial chat with the accused. Then the school massacre happens. In this case, everyone involved bears some responsibility for the tragic events that sadly unfolded.
I don't know the details of how doctors and experts testified in this case, but I know it's a real thing, not something that's made up to let women get away with murder. I worked with a man who's wife had postpartum depression. They were strongly Christian even referring to Halloween as a pagan event. They had a toddler, a boy, and when their second son was born, his wife went into a severe depression. He told me that hadn't happened with the first one. When he returned to work after extended time off, he told me he had been afraid to leave his wife alone with the kids. He was worried about her taking her life and the kids. He had arranged for people from the church to stay with her so he could come back to work. Eventually, she moved out of the depression with no further incidents. It was their last child though.
From what I've read, the jury is 11 for acquittal with one committed holdout, and the judge is pushing hard to get a verdict. The 11/1 vote points to a lot of evidence supporting the mother's diagnosis.
If it goes to a second trial, instead of only one charge of first-degree murder, the prosecution might have better luck getting jail time by offering second-degree murder and manslaughter as well. I can say that I'm glad I'm not on that jury.
Now that there's been a mistrial, I wonder what happens to her next. Another trial? I'm of the mind she should be institutionalized permanently in a state hospital, which is where they've got her right now. And I predict she'll be mentally tortured by what she's done and attempt suicide again. No, she shouldn't be allowed to walk away scot free. At minimum, she ought to be sterilized to prevent her from having any more children and repeating her unforgivable history. Thanks for starting this convo.
This is yet another horrible tragedy. She and the family will no doubt be haunted by this the rest of their lives. I can imagine there is an abundance of finger pointing and blame being passed around.
I have worked with women in the midst of post-partum depression and it is a nightmare experience for them. Knowing they are supposed to be so happy about the new baby yet not able to embrace motherhood. It literally takes a village in situations like this to keep everyone safe.
I see this as another example of how our health care/mental health professionals are failing to provide adequately for their patients because they are too busy to take a thorough history, diagnose and treat.
Evangel
You're so right. From my perspective, this is one more poor soul who went off the rails with postpartum depression, taking at least one child's life while wrestling with psychosis.
What complicates this case is the gaggle of doctors and their intermingling concoctions of prescribed drugs. Our medical system is beyond imperfect, it's become corrupt and exclusively profit-oriented now. Doctors are financially incentivized to keep patient visits to a ten minute period, and they end up prescribing meds without having enough time to fully review the complexities of one's chart, the potential drug interactions that may surface, or discuss the case with other doctors the patient has seen. It's like visiting an In-N-Out burger where the server is too busy to do anything more than take your money and hand you a bag. Is it any wonder there are 250,000 deaths annually due to medical errors in US hospitals today? And this is why patients are now required to sign a legal document pre-op that limits them to arbitration should things go south during surgery.
Lindsey Clancy couldn't have been more clear about her state of mind. The signs were all there. She should have been hospitalized and her kids should not have been allowed anywhere near her so long as she was having suicidal thoughts. The negligence and failure here reminds me of the countless times police have been warned about a deranged person with guns and known mental health issues, but dismiss the concern after a brief, superficial chat with the accused. Then the school massacre happens. In this case, everyone involved bears some responsibility for the tragic events that sadly unfolded.
Slipstream
I don't know the details of how doctors and experts testified in this case, but I know it's a real thing, not something that's made up to let women get away with murder. I worked with a man who's wife had postpartum depression. They were strongly Christian even referring to Halloween as a pagan event. They had a toddler, a boy, and when their second son was born, his wife went into a severe depression. He told me that hadn't happened with the first one. When he returned to work after extended time off, he told me he had been afraid to leave his wife alone with the kids. He was worried about her taking her life and the kids. He had arranged for people from the church to stay with her so he could come back to work. Eventually, she moved out of the depression with no further incidents. It was their last child though.
From what I've read, the jury is 11 for acquittal with one committed holdout, and the judge is pushing hard to get a verdict. The 11/1 vote points to a lot of evidence supporting the mother's diagnosis.
If it goes to a second trial, instead of only one charge of first-degree murder, the prosecution might have better luck getting jail time by offering second-degree murder and manslaughter as well. I can say that I'm glad I'm not on that jury.
Homeless Valley
Now that there's been a mistrial, I wonder what happens to her next. Another trial? I'm of the mind she should be institutionalized permanently in a state hospital, which is where they've got her right now. And I predict she'll be mentally tortured by what she's done and attempt suicide again. No, she shouldn't be allowed to walk away scot free. At minimum, she ought to be sterilized to prevent her from having any more children and repeating her unforgivable history. Thanks for starting this convo.
Present Valley
This is yet another horrible tragedy. She and the family will no doubt be haunted by this the rest of their lives. I can imagine there is an abundance of finger pointing and blame being passed around.
I have worked with women in the midst of post-partum depression and it is a nightmare experience for them. Knowing they are supposed to be so happy about the new baby yet not able to embrace motherhood. It literally takes a village in situations like this to keep everyone safe.
I see this as another example of how our health care/mental health professionals are failing to provide adequately for their patients because they are too busy to take a thorough history, diagnose and treat.
There is no good outcome here.